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Statement:-
The following is not intended to attack individuals, but the system,
what it stands for, I have bowed to Christian lashing out and deleted
some pages, like on the sabbath, because the Seventh Day Adventists
have apparently said that we have the mark of the beast for worshipping
on a Sunday, despite the Bible clearly refuting such an idea. My aim is
to reveal truth according to God's word, in the Bible, not mine, I
didn't write it, I wasn't even around. So as I said, this is
not intended as an attack. I will question anything that starts to lean
more on a system than Jesus. I'm not keen on infant baptism in our own
church of England church. I am non-denominational and proud to be so.
The Bible clearly states as far as I'm concerned in many places that
the only thing that assures your salvation, a place in heaven and not
hell, is asking Jesus into your life, not any other ritual, not going
to church, not speaking in tongues, or water baptism, though I have
deleted those pages, I still remain convinced deep down. Otherwise
think, if that were the case, first Jesus would have said so, be
baptized in water, full emersion, and secondly that surely is a works,
who needs Jesus, because clearly He isn't enough. I just recommend that
you read the Bible, ask questions of the place you attend, seek
answers, even suggest you are thinking of leaving, if they seem
disappointed but bless you, and not put up much of a fight, cool, they
probably are all right. However, the stories i've heard in testimonies
how they were told if they left they would lose their salvation is
complete nonsense, because it is Jesus Christ that saves us, no church,
cult, doctrine, nothing else, no other man, the Bible makes that
completely clear, all through the New Testament.
I just want you to have peace and be free to worship Jesus on any day
and at any place.
God bless love Webmaster.
The
following is based on something I heard, as you'll see, however I did
visit the site of the J-W's to try to establish some truth in this
teaching, well belief that Jesus is not God incarnate.
So can the
Witnesses be claimed to be a
cult, probably.
Today I decided to put on my cd of the sermon by Ray Stedman about
Colossians. A few minutes in however he starts to say:-
'Perhaps some of you have had
the experience of answering your door
bell some day and finding a man or a woman, standing there with a
little green book under his or her arm announcing him or herself as a
Jehovah's Witness.
And asking to come in to tell you the truth about life and the Bible
and so on, and if you let them in sooner or later, they turned to this
passage to show you that Jesus Christ was not God, that he was
essentially a creature, the highest of the creatures, of the creation.
And they use this term the first born of the creation, to er, bolster
their argument'
Colossians
1:15
Who is the
image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
He continues:
'They argue that this means Jesus was the first one ever created. And
of course there is a sense in which this word first born does have that
meaning as the first one that appeared, we refer to our children, the
oldest one is the first born, because he or she appeared first on the
scene.
But you see that's one of the slick devices by which the cults
propagate their errors, and it's very subtle because it apparently
seems to be logical and scriptural.
But what their doing is using a modern meaning of the term, which is
quite different from what the New Testament uses this term to be. And
if you let the New Testament interpret what the word first born mean,
it doesn't mean the one born first at all. It means the heir, the
chief, the principle one, the owner. And this phrase the first born of
all creation means that the Lord Jesus stands in relationship to
creation just as the heir of a, of a father stands in relationship to
the fathers property, he's not part of it, he isn't part of the fathers
ownership, he's the owner of it.
He's the heir of it.
You remember you have this used in various ways in the Old Testament,
and er recall in two specific incidences we have a clear case of
the one who was born second was really the first born of the family.
Err, in the case of for instance of err, of err, Isaac and Ishmael,
Ishmael was born first, but Isaac was the first born.
Again in the case of er Esau and Jacob, Esau was born first, but Jacob
was the first born.
So you see this does not mean the first one of a line of creations, but
that he is the heir of all creation, the owner of it. And this fits of
course with what the apostle goes on to say,
16
For by
him were all things
created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and
invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or
powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And if you look carefully at the Jehovah's witnesses little er green
translation of the scriptures you'll notice that in order to err
substantiate their lie about Jesus Christ they have inserted the word
other, in these phrases, 'All other things were created by him.'
All, err and er all other things were created. But there is absolutely
no warrant what so ever in the Greek text for the insertion for the
word other, this is a clear instance of the kind of deceitfulness to
which these people will stoop in order to propagate the lies that they
manifest.
Now err here is Paul's great declaration, here is the Lord Jesus,
the creator is what he's declaring Him to be, the one who flung all the
worlds into being, who was there present with God and was God when the
great words went out let there be light, let there be err err the earth
bring forth, and all the other great declarations of creation that we
have in Genesis 1. It was the Lord who did this and further more as
Paul goes on to say,
17
And he
is before all things, and in him all things hold
together.
But it's when you start to read the Bible for yourself that you start
to see a pattern, and it's interesting.
Why is it cults take a scripture or two, but ignore the rest, or alter
it, add a word, like 'other' as Stedman said.
First and I have several versions, even one by a Jewish man that at age
49 who dicovering the text led him to study them for 21 years of
his life looking at and
translating from Greek, let's check on that word 'other'.
First the J.W.'s say that it is, all 'other' things were
created by Him.
Colossians 1:16
...all things were created by him, and for him. (KJV)
...all things were created through Him and for Him. (NKJV)
All things were created through him and for him. (Heinz W. Cassirer
Jewish man.)
Everything was been created through him and for him. (NLT)
God created the whole universe through him and for him. (Good News.)
...all things were created by him and for him. (NIV)
...all things were created through him and for him. (Jerusalem Bible.)
I find that remarkable, not one translation has the word other in
it. By the way now you know why I have, and advise that others
have also, a few differing version, it backs you up and shows others
too.
But the best of it is, when you take time to finally read the Bible for
yourself, instead od believing what others tell you, you start to see
other references, too many to dismiss:-
John 1:1 In the beginning
was
the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.
(Incedently with the arguments
over
which John wrote Revelation I also made a dramatic discovery)
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in
blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of
the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in
God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ
Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery
to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form
of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given
him a name which is above every name:
And there is more too:
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life:
he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me
shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe
not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that
cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all
which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up
again at the last day.
John 8:12 Then spake
Jesus
again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that
followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of
life.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection,
and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were
dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.
Believest thou this?
Luke 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom,
and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 10:40 He that
receiveth
you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Mark 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my
name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me,
but him that sent me.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before
Abraham was, I am.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the
Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father
in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the
Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father
in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
You know, it's no wonder they say the truth shall set you free. I also
need to read and learn far more, Amen.
After all, this as I said above is not a lashing out at you time, it's
about revealing the real truth, after all, one thing I know us human's
hate it's being lied to and misled, and I have been, and no doubt so
have many of you too, whether you are a Jehovah's witness or some other
denomination, or splinter group that demands you must do this and that
to be saved, and that you must only remain in that group, church to be
saved. In fact any claim of you must stay in our, 'OUR' group, church
to be truly saved, I'd be even more likely to be suspicious and want to
check things out.
God bless ya, webmaster.
P.S. I visited the Watchtower web-site, and it makes a compelling case,
but only if you don't read the scriptures before and afterwards. And of
course they don't tell you those scriptures, like the one's above. In
fact I just did a search, and sure enough they don't come up.
They totally miss the point, yes God is one, but in coming and taking
human form, and here it is complicated, hence the mystery often
referred to in the Bible, Jesus is born. Hence we have Son of Man,
because of Mary, and Son of God, which again Jesus was more than happy
to go along with.
In fact it never says that Jesus said, 'No quickly get up, you must not
bow down to worship me, there is only one that must be worshipped'. No
he allowed this, so what does that make Jesus then, either false, or
the equal and thenfore God himself incarnate.
Matthew 2:11 And when
they were
come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and
fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their
treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and
myrrh.
Matthew 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him,
saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Matthew 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped
him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord,
help me.
What then though happened when a man did this
to
Peter:-
Acts 10:25 And as Peter
was
coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped
him.
26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am
a man.
Now hang on, if Peter knew what was right, he was a very wise man
indeed, and what did Peter once say of Jesus:-
Matthew 16:16 And Simon
Peter
answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the
living God.
Arghhhhhhhhhhh, quick run, that's right, Peter actually said He was the
Son of the living God.
This testimony from someone who has been there
with the JW's might be of some interest to you:-
http://www.ukapologetics.net/mustest2.htm
See also:- Saved
by faith and not doing good works
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